Herein lies the saga of Jamie Baillie's attempt to buy proxies which would let him send email (i.e. proxies which support the HTTP CONNECT protocol to port 25 on arbitrary hosts). Why he would want proxies with this capability is left as an exercise for the reader.

All {_at_}signs have been intentionally munged in this document. Some other information - including the personal details of Jaime Baillie - has also been purposely munged. It is not my intent to post anyone's personal info, my intent is to show an exchange between Jamie Baillie and myself during which he a) bought a list of proxies apparently hoping to send email through, b) discovered that the proxies he purchased and received could not be used to send email, c) demanded a refund and was denied that refund because he had received what he purchased, then d) launched on his usual tirade attempting to get anyone and anything related to his "enemy" shutdown.

It all started on a rather uneventful Thursday morning, just after midnight. The following message was generated by OpenProxies' signup form, which alerts us when someone signs up:

Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:38:02 -0700
To: info{_at_}openproxies.com
Subject: OPRX Join Form Posted (Fraud: NEGATIVE)
From: info{_at_}openproxies.com

Someone has just posted the signup form at OpenProxies:

Name: Jamie Baillie
Company:
Address: 26-300 [munged]
Toronto, Ontario, [munged]
Canada
Phone: 416-4[munged]
Email: dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com
Login: byteme
Pass: [munged]
Type: PayPal Single Month

IP: 63.138.23.213

All seemed well. The fraud check had been passed, the IP matched the location, the money hit PayPal, and Jamie's account - like so many before it - was automatically activated by our system. It wasn't until several hours later that things started to go horribly wrong. Jamie sent us this email:

Return-path: <httpd{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
Envelope-to: php{_at_}shat.net
Delivery-date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:39:48 -0500
Received: from [209.126.222.250] (helo=mail.pc-netgroup.com)
by green.mynethost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14)
id 19Ilc4-0000bJ-5C
for php{_at_}shat.net; Thu, 22 May 2003 03:39:48 -0500
Received: from [209.126.222.250] (helo=pluto.phatservers.com)
by mail.pc-netgroup.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
id 19Ilc3-0003lL-00
for info{_at_}openproxies.com; Thu, 22 May 2003 01:39:47 -0700
Received: (from httpd{_at_}localhost)
by pluto.phatservers.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h4M8dlh3014465;
Thu, 22 May 2003 01:39:47 -0700
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:39:47 -0700
Message-Id: <200305220839.h4M8dlh3014465{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
To: info{_at_}openproxies.com
Subject: OpenProxies Support Request
From: dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com

Username byteme (dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com) writes:

man your proxies STINK out of your whole proxy list most of them were bad. Out of the ones that were good only 19 of them will allow you to do HTTP connect to port 25. That is just HORRIBLE.

I paided $20 USD for what? I can't even use your proxies. Also the majority of your list is not even good!

Man I want my money back cancel my account your proxies are GARBAGE! I will not pay for this crap
Reverse the charges on pay pal or I will file a complaint with them you have not provided me any kind of service what so ever you have ripped me off!

Jamie

Oddly enough, Jamie did not append his notorious copyright notice to this message.

Now here's where everything really gets started. For the record, it should be noted that there is nothing - nor has there ever been anything - at openproxies.com which suggests that the proxies we list can be used to send email. On our front page, we mention "web proxies" (and provide some samples, which anyone, including potential customers, can use/verify). In the HTML title of all pages, we call them "HTTP proxies."

The HTTP CONNECT protocol is not mentioned anywhere, nor is SMTP, or port 25, or the ability to send email. In fact, our "about" page even directly states that our proxy list is included in DNSBLs! If Jamie had bothered to read the about page, he would have noticed that red flag and moved on, realizing that any email he managed to get through any of the proxies in the list would probably be doomed from the start. But instead, he "paided" [sic] us US$20 without once contacting us to clarify anything, and most likely without even reading the about page.

And so, in response to Jamie's support request, I sent him the following response informing him that we were not going to refund his money, as he had received what he'd paid for:

X-SMTP-Result: 250 2.0.0 h4MBJx9j030325 Message accepted for delivery
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:25:11 -0500
From: OpenProxies <info{_at_}openproxies.com>
To: dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com,
info{_at_}openproxies.com
Subject: Re: OpenProxies Support Request
In-Reply-To: <200305220839.h4M8dlh3014465{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
References: <200305220839.h4M8dlh3014465{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
Message-Id: <20030522062443.6D85.INFO{_at_}openproxies.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Thu, 22 May 2003 01:39:47 -0700
dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com wrote:

Hi,

> man your proxies STINK out of your whole proxy list most of them
> were bad. Out of the ones that were good only 19 of them will allow you
> to do HTTP connect to port 25. That is just HORRIBLE.

We check the proxies in our database to make sure that they support the
proxying of web connections. We don't check for mail capabilities, nor
do we claim to.

> Reverse the charges on pay pal or I will file a complaint with them
> you have not provided me any kind of service what so ever you have
> ripped me off!

Our records are showing that you viewed the plaintext list 8 times,
the .htaccess formatted list once, and browsed through the web formatted
list several times. I apologize but we cannot issue a refund as you did
indeed obtain the proxy list.

Thanks,

OpenProxies

At this point, I hadn't yet realized that this Jamie was that Jamie. (In all honesty, if I'd known then, I would have just refunded him and been done with it; it would have saved a great many people a great deal of stress and time.) It's been many months since I've had the time to be a regular at NANAE and it appears that the discovery of Jamie's last name - as well as the eventual ties to spamming - took place after I stopped hanging out there on a daily basis.

In any case, it wasn't long before we heard from Jamie again. Apparently he hadn't yet received my reply, or else he'd ignored it. He filled out our support request form again, delivering this gem, again conspicuously lacking his copyright message:

Return-path: <httpd{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
Envelope-to: php{_at_}shat.net
Delivery-date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:04:29 -0500
Received: from [209.126.222.250] (helo=mail.pc-netgroup.com)
by green.mynethost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14)
id 19ItUT-0007Xs-9t
for php{_at_}shat.net; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:04:29 -0500
Received: from [209.126.222.250] (helo=pluto.phatservers.com)
by mail.pc-netgroup.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
id 19ItUV-0005gi-00
for info{_at_}openproxies.com; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:04:31 -0700
Received: (from httpd{_at_}localhost)
by pluto.phatservers.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h4MH4VIN021849;
Thu, 22 May 2003 10:04:31 -0700
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:04:31 -0700
Message-Id: <200305221704.h4MH4VIN021849{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
To: info{_at_}openproxies.com
Subject: OpenProxies Support Request
From: dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com

Username byteme (dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com) writes:

Hey you guys are NOT providing the service. Your proxy lists SUCK! When I verified them they are quite bad. Out of your whole list 19 proxies allowed an HTTP connect to port 25. That is HORRIBLE!. Your not providing me with the service what so ever. I have already sent in one request asking that this charge be reversed and now I am sending in another. Your not providing me a service your proxy lists are CRAP and totally useless! I don't want this account cancel it and refund me my MONEY! your a complete RIPOFF! I will NOT pay this fee and Paypal has already been notified about your fraud. Your a complete RIP OFF and I won't pay this charge and it will be disputed. email me back at dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com and reverse these charges if you guys can't provide good proxy lists. Majority of your lists were bad as well.

This message mostly repeats the contents of his initial contact, so I presume that either he hadn't yet logged into Hotmail to see my response, or Hotmail hadn't yet placed that response in his inbox. And so I sent another reply:

X-SMTP-Result: 250 OK id=19ItmC-0007sz-Tc
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:28:02 -0500
From: OpenProxies <info{_at_}openproxies.com>
To: dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com,
info{_at_}openproxies.com
Subject: Re: OpenProxies Support Request
In-Reply-To: <200305221704.h4MH4VIN021849{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
References: <200305221704.h4MH4VIN021849{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com>
Message-Id: <20030522121440.A168.INFO{_at_}openproxies.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Thu, 22 May 2003 10:04:31 -0700
dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com wrote:

> Username byteme (dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com) writes:
>
> Hey you guys are NOT providing the service.

Yes, we are.

> Your proxy lists SUCK! When I verified them they are quite bad. Out of
> your whole list 19 proxies allowed an HTTP connect to port 25. That
> is HORRIBLE!. Your not providing me with the service what so ever.

I sent you email six hours ago explaining that:

a) we do not check our proxies to see whether or not email can be sent
through them, and

b) we do not advertise or state anywhere on our site that our proxies
allow email to be sent through them

We check our proxies for the ability to relay web connections only.
Period. Even the front page of our site calls them "web proxies," and
the title of all pages throughout the site reflects that they are HTTP
proxies. Nowhere is any claim made that they support SMTP connections.

If you signed up under this assumption, I imagine it would have behooved
you to fill out the contact form beforehand asking whether or not we
check our proxies for SMTP capability.

> I have already sent in one request asking that this charge be reversed
> and now I am sending in another.

And as I already mentioned this morning, we cannot issue a refund as you
obtained the service you paid for, which is access to our proxy list.
You've already accessed it 17 times, actually,

+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+
| id | login | type | date | ipaddr |
+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+
| 2172 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589248 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2173 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589282 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2174 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589301 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2175 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589308 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2176 | byteme | browse | 1053589444 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2177 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589603 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2178 | byteme | browse | 1053589879 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2180 | byteme | DL-htaccess | 1053591394 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2181 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053592209 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2182 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053592224 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2183 | byteme | browse | 1053592306 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2184 | byteme | browse | 1053592400 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2185 | byteme | browse | 1053595406 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2186 | byteme | browse | 1053595410 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2187 | byteme | browse | 1053595478 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2189 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053597203 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2190 | byteme | browse | 1053597325 | 63.138.23.213 |
+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+

> Your not providing me a service your proxy lists are CRAP and totally
> useless! I don't want this account cancel it and refund me my MONEY!
> your a complete RIPOFF! I will NOT pay this fee and Paypal has already
> been notified about your fraud.

The proxy list is not useless for its intended purpose, which is
browsing the web. Again, I reiterate that we neither claim nor advertise
that our proxies can be used to send email. I've already received notice
of your PayPal dispute, and I've already sent them proof that you did
indeed receive the service you paid for. Your PayPal dispute claims that
the goods were "Not As Advertised," which is clearly bogus as we do not
advertise email can be sent through the proxies in our database.

> Your a complete RIP OFF and I won't pay this charge and it will be
> disputed.

And your dispute will be disputed. And if you dispute our dispute of
your dispute, that will be disputed, too. If you decide to dispute our
dispute of your dispute of our dispute of your dispute, my head will
explode, but I will still be providing PayPal with as much info as they
like, including your login records, indicating that you got what you
paid for.

I'm sorry that what you paid for was apparently not what you were
expecting, which seems to be proxies you can send mail through. However
I emphasize yet again that nowhere at our site does it say our proxies
support email.

You signed up for a web proxy list, you got a web proxy list, end of
story.

Regards,

OpenProxies

Now, just after he submitted this second support request to us (and while I was composing that reply), Jamie filled out a dispute form at PayPal. That generated the following message:

Return-Path: <complaint-response{_at_}paypal.com>
Received: from smtp1.nix.paypal.com ([65.206.228.74]) by ; Thu, 22 May 2003 11:50:25 -0500
Received: from notify1.nix.paypal.com (notify1.nix.paypal.com [10.193.4.1])
by smtp1.nix.paypal.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B2AA3E6BB
for <support{_at_}hostwiththemost.net>; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:50:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 5238 invoked by uid 993); 22 May 2003 16:50:24 -0000
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:50:24 -0700
Message-Id: <1053622224.5238{_at_}paypal.com>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
From: complaint-response{_at_}paypal.com
Reply-To: complaint-response{_at_}paypal.com
To: support{_at_}hostwiththemost.net
Subject: Resolution of Buyer Complaint: Case ID - PP-017-423-275
X-Rcpt-To: <support{_at_}hostwiththemost.net>
X-DPOP: Version number supressed
X-UIDL: 1053622523.4997
Status: U

PayPal has received a complaint regarding a recent transaction
on your account. The buyer has reported that the merchandise
was "Not as Described" and is disputing the quality of goods
received. PayPal encourages you to work directly with the buyer
in this instance to resolve the issue.

------------------------------
Complaint Details
------------------------------

Transaction Date: May 22, 2003
Transaction Amount: -$20.00
Case Number: PP-017-423-275
Buyer's Name: Jamie Baillie
Buyer's Email: dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com

PayPal does not tolerate fraud or illegal activities. This
complaint has been noted in yor PayPal account record. If we
find you have violated our policies, we will take action
against your account, pending resolution of the complaints
against you.

There is no need to respond directly to PayPal at this time.
Please contact the buyer directly to arrange an amicable
resolution to this complaint.

Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,
Protection Services Department

Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be
answered. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account and choose the
"Help" link in the footer of any page.

Seeing as how the buyer had already contacted me twice, I'd replied to him twice, and the two of us were clearly nowhere near to reaching an amicable resolution, I figured that even though there was "no need" to respond to PayPal, it was probably the prudent thing to do. After all, I have a PayPal Verified account in good standing which has been active for years; I might as well take the necessary steps to protect it. And so I sent the following message to PayPal:

X-SMTP-Result: 250 Command DATA Processed mail data Ok
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:48:10 -0500
From: HWTM Support <support{_at_}hostwiththemost.net>
To: complaint-response{_at_}paypal.com,
pending_reversal{_at_}paypal.com,
service{_at_}paypal.com,
support{_at_}paypal.com,
info{_at_}openproxies.com
Subject: Re: Resolution of Buyer Complaint: Case ID - PP-017-423-275
In-Reply-To: <1053622224.5238{_at_}paypal.com>
References: <1053622224.5238{_at_}paypal.com>
Message-Id: <20030522120231.A165.SUPPORT{_at_}hostwiththemost.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dear PayPal,

I am writing to contest the complaint referenced in the email quoted
below. In particular, I am asserting that the service received by the
customer _was_ as described.

Here are the facts relating to this transaction:

1) At approximately 2:00 AM, Thursday May 22nd, Jamie Baillie
(dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com) purchased a one-month subscription to the
http://www.openproxies.com website

2) This customer logged into our website and successfully downloaded the
information he paid for, as evidenced by the following login records
(best viewed in monospace font):

+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+
| id | login | type | date | ipaddr |
+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+
| 2172 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589248 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2173 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589282 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2174 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589301 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2175 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589308 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2176 | byteme | browse | 1053589444 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2177 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589603 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2178 | byteme | browse | 1053589879 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2180 | byteme | DL-htaccess | 1053591394 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2181 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053592209 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2182 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053592224 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2183 | byteme | browse | 1053592306 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2184 | byteme | browse | 1053592400 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2185 | byteme | browse | 1053595406 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2186 | byteme | browse | 1053595410 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2187 | byteme | browse | 1053595478 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2189 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053597203 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2190 | byteme | browse | 1053597325 | 63.138.23.213 |
+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+

3) This customer has sent us several emails indicating that he apparently
made the purchase under the assumption that the proxy information we are
selling could be used to send email. This was a false assumption.

4) We do NOT claim anywhere on our site that the proxy information we
sell can be used to send email. Our proxy lists are verified for web
browsing only.

5) Thus, the customer's claim that the product was "not as advertised"
is incorrect. We do NOT advertise the ability to send email through
proxy servers, only the ability to browse the web through the proxy
servers.

This customer purchased access to a list of proxy servers, and he has
received (and still has) that access. The customer indeed received what
he paid for. I have already had correspondence with the buyer but we
have not been able to reach an agreement and he continues to threaten
complaints.

Thanks!

Shaun

On Thu, 22 May 2003 09:50:24 -0700
complaint-response{_at_}paypal.com wrote:

> PayPal has received a complaint regarding a recent transaction
> on your account. The buyer has reported that the merchandise
> was "Not as Described" and is disputing the quality of goods
> received. PayPal encourages you to work directly with the buyer
> in this instance to resolve the issue.
>
> ------------------------------
> Complaint Details
> ------------------------------
>
> Transaction Date: May 22, 2003
> Transaction Amount: -$20.00
> Case Number: PP-017-423-275
> Buyer's Name: Jamie Baillie
> Buyer's Email: dar[munged]99{_at_}hotmail.com
>
>
> PayPal does not tolerate fraud or illegal activities. This
> complaint has been noted in yor PayPal account record. If we
> find you have violated our policies, we will take action
> against your account, pending resolution of the complaints
> against you.
>
>
> There is no need to respond directly to PayPal at this time.
> Please contact the buyer directly to arrange an amicable
> resolution to this complaint.
>
> Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> Protection Services Department
>
> Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be
> answered. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account and choose the
> "Help" link in the footer of any page.

Perhaps it was a bad idea for me to have told Jamie in my prior email to him that I was aware of and had replied to his PayPal complaint. He quickly sent the following message to PayPal in an attempt to make his futile points heard again. Apparently he wasn't satisfied with PayPal's non-response to his complaint that the goods he received were "not as advertised," especially after I'd refuted those claims. In this message, Jamie accuses us not only of fraud, but of selling "stolen property" (which is, legitimately, against PayPal's AUP).

Return-Path: <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com>
Received: from darkshado.dyndns.org ([63.138.23.213]) by ; Thu, 22 May 2003 21:27:48 -0500
Received: from domain (jamie.darkshado.dyndns.org [192.168.0.141])
by darkshado.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h4N1Zf7l001673;
Thu, 22 May 2003 21:35:41 -0400
Message-ID: <003b01c320d2$e9e53700$8d00a8c0{_at_}domain>
From: "Jamie" <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com>
To: "OpenProxies" <info{_at_}openproxies.com>
Cc: <info{_at_}openproxies.com>, <support{_at_}hostwiththemost.net>, <abuse{_at_}paypal.com>,
<postmaster{_at_}paypal.com>, <support{_at_}paypal.com>
References: <200305220839.h4M8dlh3014465{_at_}pluto.phatservers.com> <20030522062443.6D85.INFO{_at_}openproxies.com>
Subject: Re: OpenProxies Support Request PayPal Case ID: PP-017-423-275
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:27:53 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C320B1.62A5D040"
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
Disposition-Notification-To: "Jamie" <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com>
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
X-Rcpt-To: <support{_at_}hostwiththemost.net>
X-DPOP: Version number supressed
X-UIDL: 1053695249.2358
Status: U

PayPal Case ID: PP-017-423-275
Transaction ID: #84148464BP800973K

------------------------------
Complaint Details
------------------------------

Transaction Date: May 22, 2003
Transaction Amount: -$20.00
Case Number: PP-017-423-275

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_complaint-view-details&cid=PP-017-423-275

For the people at Pay Pal Please see that this email
gets sent to your complaint department they are ripping
people off. I have already been on your website and
started a complaint against this fraudulant matter.

Yes I viewed them to see if there were any DIFFERENT lists
but I have come to the conclusion that they are all the same
list and I was hoping that you would have different lists and that it
would generate different lists each time.

The bottom line is I have not recieved good proxies from you
your lists are totally duds.

I checked your so called list and they SUCK I tried to verify the proxies
on your lists and they are DEAD. You won't get paid the charge is
going to be reversed by PayPal. I demand to speak to the people who
run this. The proxy lists you provided were DEAD. And the reason why
it was viewed as many times as you said it was that I was going back
in again hoping it would give me a NEW list of proxies since your lists
are dynamically generated.

I demand a FULL refund I am NOT paying for DEAD proxies Your lists
are CRAP. Also other people have already been told about your scam
as well. Also even the lists you did give me the majorty of them were
DEAD.

I REFUSE to pay for DEAD proxies. You are expected to at least
provide working ones. If you can't do that your NOT providing
me any service and I demand a refund back immediately.

And as I said before the lists were reloaded hoping that the proxy
lists would change and give me a different list of proxies since
your list is dynamically generated. I got the SAME bad proxies
every time.

Umm excuse me as I stated before the majority of your list is BAD
anyways and the proxies do not work. You can't even provide working
proxies. You won't get a DIME from me your a con artist.

Bottom line is your a RIP OFF and I won't pay it. It will be disputed
and I will win. You will NOT recieve a dime your ripping people off.

And also on your main site you do NOT call them web proxies at all
YOU CALL them PROXIES. You have links such as
"Add Proxy" , Remove Proxy, and the link that your members click on
is called "Full List" this is right on your website
http://www.openproxies.com SO your NOT calling them web proxies at all
so stop your lying.

Also AT
http://www.openproxies.com/full.php where people signup NO where does it say
that you don't check your proxies or you don't guartee that mail can be sent
though them. If this is the case then you should have clearly put it on area so that
people can see this before signing up. You don't state ANY of that there. People
should be given the correct information before they signup not that you rip them off
afterwards.

I have attached a copy of this HTML file as well and you can see exactly
what the page looks like.

http://www.openproxies.com/terms.php

Nor does it state anywhere in your Terms of Agreement that you don't do
any of this otherwise. So you fraudualtly sign people up and then when
they find out they have been ripped off you say sorry we can't give you
your money back. That is VERY wrong to do and will NOT be tollerated.

Your LISTS are DEAD the majority of the lists don't work aynways even FOR WEB.
and you don't tell anyone any of what you are telling me now before they signup.

I also find out once I signed up that the proxies are not even run by you.. They
appear to be STOLLEN proxies on various machines. Which is actually theft of
bandwidth. I was also under the impression that the proxies were run on YOUR
machines not that you steal bandwidth from other people. That would be
considered theft as well and which would also make your transaction null and void since you
are providing an illegal service.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame&ed=stolen_prop


Stolen Property Policy

It is strictly forbidden to use PayPal to sell stolen property
or advertise such items on your site listed in PayPal Shops. PayPal strongly
supports law enforcement efforts to recover stolen property that is sold using
PayPal or advertised or sold on websites in PayPal Shops and urges the
prosecution of those responsible for knowingly attempting to sell such items.
Stolen property includes items taken from private individuals as well as
property taken without authorization from companies, or governments.

See U.S. federal law on selling stolen property or government
property without authorization:

For the people at paypal.com I recommend that this information be sent to your
fraud team. Since these people are selling proxies which don't belong to them which
would make this transaction NULL and void.

Your a fraud and I won't pay you so it will be a cold day in hell before you get
paided

For the people at paypal.com please see that this information is given to your
complaints dept and is appended to the existing ticket.

Jamie

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(Note that this message was carpetbombed to various PayPal addresses, including their poor Postmaster, who I dare say has no stake in this matter. For the first time, he also included his inane sig, which tipped me off as to whom I was really dealing with. Jamie also attached two HTML files to this message, the contents of the openproxies.com signup page and terms page, which he was hoping to use as "proof" for his claims. More on this in my next reply.)

I probably don't need to enumerate the pitfalls regarding Jamie's "stolen property" claim. If we were, indeed, selling "stolen property," then Jamie was admitting his guilt of knowingly purchasing "stolen property!" However, I digress. As his claim is not true, I assert that he is not guilty of anything in this case, either. I'm certainly not about to willingly defend Jamie, but I'm also not about to throw accusations around, as he's been doing. I have no proof of any criminal activity on his behalf, so I won't claim he's done anything illegal. If only he showed others such respect.

Had Jamie been a resident of the United States, I'd probably be making all sorts of jokes about his atrocious spelling and grammar. However, because he's a Canadian, I'm going to assume that French is his first language and English is his second. This is, in my opinion, a reasonable excuse for the general poor state of writing exhibited in Jamie's messages to date. No worries, I'm not here to play Grammar Nazi, I'm just here to defend myself against baseless and absurd accusations. Which I continued to do in my response to Jamie (and, apparently, every role account at PayPal):

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From: OpenProxies <info{_at_}openproxies.com>
To: "Jamie" <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com>
Subject: Re: OpenProxies Support Request PayPal Case ID: PP-017-423-275
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On Thu, 22 May 2003 22:27:53 -0400
"Jamie" <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com> wrote:

> PayPal Case ID: PP-017-423-275
> Transaction ID: #84148464BP800973K

> For the people at Pay Pal Please see that this email
> gets sent to your complaint department they are ripping
> people off. I have already been on your website and
> started a complaint against this fraudulant matter.

As has already been established, there is nothing fraudulent taking
place.

> Yes I viewed them to see if there were any DIFFERENT lists
> but I have come to the conclusion that they are all the same
> list and I was hoping that you would have different lists and that it
> would generate different lists each time.

Our site does not say the proxy lists are different. It says the list is
available in different _formats_, which indeed it is. Our site does not
say the proxies support email.

I'm sorry that what you purchased wasn't what you were hoping for, but
it is _exactly_ as described. If I buy a CD burner and "hope" that it
can burn DVD-Rs also, it's my own fault for not asking if I take it home
and it doesn't burn DVD-Rs.

We have 2 different contact forms on our site, as well as 2 different
email addresses listed (which you seem to have found). Why did you not
write and clear up any possible confusion _before_ making the purchase?
This seems to be a case of "caveat emptor."

> The bottom line is I have not recieved good proxies from you
> your lists are totally duds.

The proxies work fine for browsing the web. Not all proxies are
necessarily available from all locations, but with several thousand listed,
there are plenty which will work from your location. This is covered in
our Site Terms, which you have graciously attached to your email:

"Specifically, no guarantee is made that a) any particular proxy listed
within our site will be functional from your location, as access to
specific servers may vary by Internet Service Provider (ISP),
geographical limitation, governmental restrictions, or other factors
beyond our control; or that b) all IP addresses within our list
represent unique proxies, i.e., some ISPs establish transparent proxies
whereby multiple IP addresses all to the same proxy." [Yes, a sic notice
is appropriate here. It should say "all point to the same proxy" but there
was a typo. I don't deny this typo and it remains intact on our site.]

> I checked your so called list and they SUCK I tried to verify the proxies
> on your lists and they are DEAD. You won't get paid the charge is
> going to be reversed by PayPal. I demand to speak to the people who
> run this. The proxy lists you provided were DEAD. And the reason why
> it was viewed as many times as you said it was that I was going back
> in again hoping it would give me a NEW list of proxies since your lists
> are dynamically generated.
>
> I demand a FULL refund I am NOT paying for DEAD proxies Your lists
> are CRAP. Also other people have already been told about your scam
> as well. Also even the lists you did give me the majorty of them were
> DEAD.
>
> I REFUSE to pay for DEAD proxies. You are expected to at least
> provide working ones. If you can't do that your NOT providing
> me any service and I demand a refund back immediately.
>
> And as I said before the lists were reloaded hoping that the proxy
> lists would change and give me a different list of proxies since
> your list is dynamically generated. I got the SAME bad proxies
> every time.

Our list is dynamically generated from our database, not from thin air.
Each time you load one of the list formats, it shows the proxies we know
about in that format. Yes, this means that the lists are all going to be
the same for any given short period of time. If you were to login
several hours later the list would be different.

> Umm excuse me as I stated before the majority of your list is BAD
> anyways and the proxies do not work. You can't even provide working
> proxies. You won't get a DIME from me your a con artist.
>
> Bottom line is your a RIP OFF and I won't pay it. It will be disputed
> and I will win. You will NOT recieve a dime your ripping people off.
>
> And also on your main site you do NOT call them web proxies at all
> YOU CALL them PROXIES. You have links such as
> "Add Proxy" , Remove Proxy, and the link that your members click on
> is called "Full List" this is right on your website
> http://www.openproxies.com SO your NOT calling them web proxies at all
> so stop your lying.

How come you didn't attach a copy of our main page to the email?
Probably because right at the top it says "10 fresh but slow web proxies
are always listed here for free." That's right, "web proxies."

Which brings up another point, we've got a free sample of our list right
on the front page! Again I'm not seeing much in the way of due diligence
here. The reason there are 10 proxies listed absolutely free on the main
page of our site is so that you can ensure that they work before
purchasing the full list.

> Also AT
> http://www.openproxies.com/full.php where people signup NO where does it say
> that you don't check your proxies or you don't guartee that mail can be sent
> though
> them. If this is the case then you should have clearly put it on area so that
> people
> can see this before signing up. You don't state ANY of that there. People
> should be
> given the correct information before they signup not that you rip them off
> afterwards.

So you're saying it's our responsibility to list everything that cannot
be done through the proxies? The signup page would be many terabytes in
size by the time we finished explaining that these proxies cannot be
used to water a plant, cannot be used to cut down a tree, cannot be used
to fill up your car's gas tank...

> I have attached a copy of this HTML file as well and you can see exactly
> what the page looks like.
>
> http://www.openproxies.com/terms.php
>
> Nor does it state anywhere in your Terms of Agreement that you don't do
> any of this otherwise. So you fraudualtly sign people up and then when
> they find out they have been ripped off you say sorry we can't give you
> your money back. That is VERY wrong to do and will NOT be tollerated.

Are you this belligerent when you go out and eat in a restaurant? Do you
finish your meal, then demand your money back because the menu didn't
specifically explain that your entree did not come with free dessert?

> Your LISTS are DEAD the majority of the lists don't work aynways even FOR WEB.
> and you don't tell anyone any of what you are telling me now before they signup.
>
> I also find out once I signed up that the proxies are not even run by you.. They
> appear
> to be STOLLEN proxies on various machines. Which is actually theft of
> bandwidth. I was also under the impression that the proxies were run on YOUR
> machines not that you steal bandwidth from other people. That would be
> considered
> theft as well and which would also make your transaction null and void since you
> are
> providing an illegal service.

The proxies are not stolen, nor is this an illegal service. Did you have
advanced permission from us to load our website? How about Hotmail, do
you have written permission from them to go to hotmail.com? Do you call
Google up before each web search to make sure it's okay to connect to
their servers? No, I didn't think so.

We sell a list of IP addresses which are configured to provide a service
_to the public_, just like Hotmail, Google, et al.

> Jamie
>
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> written consent. The message may not be altered in any way with
> out written permission. Copyright © 2003 by Jamie

Ah, now I see where I recognize your kookness from, NANAE! That sig
gives it away. I'll have to stop by and give them a laugh, I'm sure
they'll love to hear that you've been looking for email proxies...

Regards

Shaun

[attachments and forwards snipped for brevity]

I was sort of hoping that the NANAE mention would make him do a double-take and back off, now that he'd been "recognized." Alas, instead of doing that, it looks like Jamie may have taken the initiative on stirring shit up in NANAE. Later this same day, the entire OpenProxies proxy list mysteriously appeared in NANAE. It was posted in two parts, by someone calling himself "Sean (seansmith3{_at_}hotmail.com)." This person had never posted to Usenet prior to May 23rd. However, just before he posted the proxy list, "Sean" made this post regarding potential spamware. In that post, the author misspells "permanently" as "perminately" - a spelling mistake Jamie is known for. Hmmm...

And so, soon after making his run through NANAE defending himself, Jamie sent yet another email to PayPal:

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Oh yes there is something fraudualant taking place. You are stealing bandwidth
from various ISPs with your open proxies. That is THEFT of service,

You do not say that anywhere before people signup. That the proxies
you are listing are not even your own so there is something fradulant happening
here.

And that is a bit different that analogy that your using because I could
actaually have the correct information presented before it was bought your site does NOT
give the correct information.

The support email address can only be accessed by members from what I can see.

They openly put those services the web servers there so people can access and
they KNOW they are going to be pubically accessed but these PROXIES are just
misconfigured and it does NOT give you the right to steal the bandwidth from
these ISPs. That is THEFT and you are reselling this proxy list and I can not
be a part of that. You don't have any permisison to access these proxies. A web
server and misconfigured proxy are VERY different.

This is THEFT of bandwidth and in which case makes this an illegal service
For the people at paypal.com see that this account used by this individual
for his illegal scheme is immediately terminated as well.

Jamie

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Here again, obviously, Jamie continues his "fraud" and "theft" accusations. I long to know what Jamie's personal criteria are for including that sig of his. Surely it can't be "to protect things I'd be embarassed about," because his first two contacts to us were certainly embarassing enough as far as I can tell, yet he didn't bother to include his sig there. I suppose only Jamie knows for sure which messages are worthy of that sig, and why.

Fortunately for me, I have my own copyright terms when it comes to email. Any message I send is copyrighted by me. Since I've replied to all of Jamie's messages, quoting each one in turn, I figure that means I own all of the correspondence to date. Let's not forget Fair Use, either; "the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright." This entire page is rather clearly a work of criticism, after all.

Anyway, let's continue. The most recent correspondence in this enlightening thread is the following reply of mine to Jamie and Paypal, regarding his most recent missive. It is in this message that I finally decide poor postmaster{_at_}paypal has had enough, trim him from the cc: list, and ask Jamie to respect that decision:

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On Fri, 23 May 2003 19:25:37 -0400
"Jamie" <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com> wrote:

For the folks at PayPal, you might be interested in these links, which
establish Jamie's history of making bogus complaints, trying to get
people thrown off the internet, etc:

<http://www.linxnet.com/misc/k00ks/Jamie.html>
<http://www.spamreaper.com/baillie.html>
<http://www.theclubbuiltonspam.com/sotw.html#Jamie_Baillie>
<http://www.theclubbuiltonspam.com/Jamie-Baillie-SOTW.html>

> Oh yes there is something fraudualant taking place. You are stealing bandwidth
> from various ISPs with your open proxies. That is THEFT of service,

No, it's not. Let me explain this nice and slowly.

1) We are not stealing anything.
2) We are not stealing anyone's bandwidth.
3) We are not selling anyone's bandwidth.
4) We have compiled a list of computers which are set up to provide a
service TO THE PUBLIC, for whatever reason.
5) We are selling that list.
6) You bought that list, apparently expecting it to be something else
(not our problem - caveat emptor).
7) You received what you paid for.

> You do not say that anywhere before people signup. That the proxies
> you are listing are not even your own so there is something fradulant happening
> here.

You seem to have a major hangup on things which aren't said. If you go
to a bar, do they have a sign posted saying that they don't make the
liquor there themselves? If you go to a car dealership, is there a giant
sign posted to inform you that the automobiles are not, in fact,
constructed right there on the premises?

Have you complained to your local bar or car dealership yet about this
blatant "fraud?"

> And that is a bit different that analogy that your using because I could
> actaually have
> the correct information presented before it was bought your site does NOT
> give the correct information.
>
> The support email address can only be accessed by members from what I can see.

We have two, count 'em, TWO contact forms available to anyone. One says
"Contact Us." The other one says "Support." They're right there on our
front page - in fact, they're on _all_ of our pages. Anyone, member or
not, can use them to write to us, ask us a question, get clarification
about something, etc.

> They openly put those services the web servers there so people can access and
> they KNOW they are going to be pubically accessed but these PROXIES are just
> misconfigured

Hmm, pubically accessed. Well, I guess that's one thing to use a proxy
for :)

As for the misconfigured part, could you send along some proof of that,
please?

>That is THEFT and you are reselling this proxy list and I can not
> be a
> part of that. You don't have any permisison to access these proxies. A web
> server and misconfigured proxy are VERY different.

1) No, a web server and a proxy server are not very different. Both are
connected to the internet. Both accept incoming connections. Both have
the capability to restrict access to people who aren't allowed in.

2) Who are you to say whether or not anyone has permission to access a
server you don't own?

Speaking of theft, isn't it a coincidence that "someone" posted the
entire proxy list you purchased from our site to
news.admin.net-abuse.email a few hours ago... Isn't it also an
interesting coincidence that you are well known as a
news.admin.net-abuse.email regular...

> This is THEFT of bandwidth and in which case makes this an illegal service
> For the people at paypal.com see that this account used by this individual
> for his illegal scheme is immediately terminated as well.

Again, I would like to

a) reiterate that we are not stealing anything and

b) encourage the folks at PayPal to visit the URLs cited at the
beginning of this message. This person has a long history of making
false abuse reports in an attempt to cause trouble for people he doesn't
like.

By the way, Jamie, could we kindly trim postmaster{_at_}paypal from the
superfluous CC list? Whoever's running PayPal's email system has nothing
to do with any of this, and likely doesn't appreciate the bombardment
you've bestowed upon them.

Regards,

Shaun

Well, it didn't take long for our friend Jamie to send another bullshit-ridden email to PayPal. Here it is:

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Excuse me I have a VALID complaint against you.
You have ripped me off... You have not provided a
service infact the proxies that you have given are
useless and also stollen.

As per your own AUP Paypal this person
is violating your rules. This person is providing theft
of bandwidth and is stealing bandwidth from other
ISPs.

Your Links have NOTHING to do with this matter and
are totally inaccurate and nothing more then a bunch of LIES.

Paypal remove this abusive user from your system since he is commtting
a crime.

You are STEALING something you are stealing bandwidth from various other
ISPs You don't have permisison to use those proxies. Just because they
are incorrectly configured does NOT give you the right to use them.

You are providing a list of STOLLEN proxies which you don't have permission
to use. I would like to see a letter from each one of these ISPs stating that
you have permission to use these proxies. I bet you can't provide one
because your hijacking thier systems.

I have not recieved anything your lists were BAD and unsable. I have
not recieved any goods or services here and therefore you will NOT be
paided.

As I stated before the support was only avaible ONCE you signed up
Are you that stupid you couldn't get to the support address unless
your signed up to your illegal service.

These proxies are NOT run by you.. they are NOT with in your IP blocks.
These proxies are just open proxies that are on the internet by accident
and are not properly configured and you are hijacking various systems.

This is ILLEGAL and www.openproxies.com is illegal in what your doing
and I expect that this person will be removed from paypal.com for
your illegal activities.

I also suggest that you stop your libelous accqustations as well trying
to say that I posted your so called list because that is NOT true
and you have provided NO proof what so ever to prove otherwise
your just making a bunch of remarks that are NOT true.

Whats wrong you don't want the people at pay pal to know about your
little illegal SCAM everyone thats in the list stays there.

Boot this illegal scam off your systems paypal.com.

Jamie

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As you can see, Jamie has re-included postmaster{_at_}paypal in the cc list. Sorry, PayPal postmaster, I tried. This guy won't listen to anything logical or reasonable. It ain't my fault, I swear. So I send Jamie and some of the PayPal addresses - minus the Postmaster, again - the following response:

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:40:13 -0500
From: OpenProxies <info{_at_}openproxies.com>
To: "Jamie" <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com>,
info{_at_}openproxies.com
Subject: Re: OpenProxies Support Request PayPal Case ID: PP-017-423-275
Cc: <support{_at_}hostwiththemost.net>,
<abuse{_at_}paypal.com>,
<support{_at_}paypal.com>
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On Fri, 23 May 2003 23:21:01 -0400
"Jamie" <darkshad{_at_}rogers.com> wrote:

> Excuse me I have a VALID complaint against you.
> You have ripped me off... You have not provided a
> service infact the proxies that you have given are
> useless and also stollen.

What's the matter, troll? Are you disappointed that your "abuse reports"
to Level3 and Cogent didn't get us shutdown, seeing as how they realized
straight away that the reports were coming from a net.kook?

How many times do I have to explain the fact that we are not selling
anything stolen?

> As per your own AUP Paypal this person
> is violating your rules. This person is providing theft
> of bandwidth and is stealing bandwidth from other
> ISPs.

How many times do I have to explain the fact that we are not selling
anything stolen?

> Your Links have NOTHING to do with this matter and
> are totally inaccurate and nothing more then a bunch of LIES.

Oh, yeah. The fact that you've been filing 100% bogus abuse reports and
other complaints for years has "nothing to do" with the fact that you're
filing yet more bogus abuse reports...

> Paypal remove this abusive user from your system since he is commtting
> a crime.

I am not committing any crime.

> You are STEALING something you are stealing bandwidth from various other
> ISPs You don't have permisison to use those proxies. Just because they
> are incorrectly configured does NOT give you the right to use them.

The last time you emailed all of us, I asked you to provide some
information or proof regarding your accusation that anything is being
stolen or that anything is misconfigured. You have yet to provide any
such proof - gee, I wonder, is it because you can't?

> You are providing a list of STOLLEN proxies which you don't have permission
> to use. I would like to see a letter from each one of these ISPs stating that
> you have permission to use these proxies. I bet you can't provide one
> because your hijacking thier systems.

I would like to see a letter from each one of these ISPs stating that we
do _not_ have permission to list their IP addresses. Can you provide
such a list? Do you see how ridiculous your requests are becoming as
time goes on?

> I have not recieved anything your lists were BAD and unsable. I have
> not recieved any goods or services here and therefore you will NOT be
> paided.

YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR, which is a list of proxy servers. You
downloaded it repeatedly. I've sent the relevant information before and
I'll send it again:

mysql> select * from accesses where login='byteme';
+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+
| id | login | type | date | ipaddr |
+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+
| 2172 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589248 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2173 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589282 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2174 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589301 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2175 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589308 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2176 | byteme | browse | 1053589444 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2177 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053589603 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2178 | byteme | browse | 1053589879 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2180 | byteme | DL-htaccess | 1053591394 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2181 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053592209 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2182 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053592224 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2183 | byteme | browse | 1053592306 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2184 | byteme | browse | 1053592400 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2185 | byteme | browse | 1053595406 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2186 | byteme | browse | 1053595410 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2187 | byteme | browse | 1053595478 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2189 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053597203 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2190 | byteme | browse | 1053597325 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2202 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053635519 | 63.138.23.213 |
| 2203 | byteme | DL-plaintext | 1053635625 | 63.138.23.213 |
+------+--------+--------------+------------+---------------+
19 rows in set (0.46 sec)

> As I stated before the support was only avaible ONCE you signed up

As I stated before, this is 100% inaccurate. Anyone, ANYONE can access
and submit our contact forms. I suggest you visit the site again to
refresh your memory. Take a look. http://www.openproxies.com/ do you not
see two buttons on the left side of each page labeled "Contact" and
"Support?" These buttons, and the forms they lead to, can be used by
ANYONE.

> These proxies are NOT run by you.. they are NOT with in your IP blocks.

Nor did we ever claim that we ran the proxies. Dude, I've been asking
for proof to the contrary for, like, 24 hours now. You seem unable to
provide it.

> These proxies are just open proxies that are on the internet by accident
> and are not properly configured and you are hijacking various systems.

See the previous paragraph re: proof. See also several paragraphs up,
i.e. the proxies in our list are providing a SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC. We
aren't hijacking anything.

> This is ILLEGAL and www.openproxies.com is illegal in what your doing
> and I expect that this person will be removed from paypal.com for
> your illegal activities.

There is nothing illegal about selling a list of servers which are
offering a service TO THE PUBLIC!

> I also suggest that you stop your libelous accqustations as well trying
> to say that I posted your so called list because that is NOT true
> and you have provided NO proof what so ever to prove otherwise
> your just making a bunch of remarks that are NOT true.

I posted the proof you asked for in the Usenet newsgroup
news.admin.net-abuse.email. Again, you have yet to provide any proof to
the contrary of this or any other claim. The funny thing is how you
posted to Usenet using an open proxy server! You claim we're engaged in
theft, yet you seem to have no problem using the very proxy servers we
sold you! Pot, kettle, black.

> Whats wrong you don't want the people at pay pal to know about your
> little illegal SCAM everyone thats in the list stays there.

I've been a member of PayPal for years, and before your kook self showed
up, I've never had anyone contest anything.

> Boot this illegal scam off your systems paypal.com.
>
> Jamie

Please ignore this bogus complaint, PayPal. As is evidenced by the linkss
below, this person has a well-earned reputation for filing false
complaints all over the place:

<http://www.linxnet.com/misc/k00ks/Jamie.html>
<http://www.spamreaper.com/baillie.html>
<http://www.theclubbuiltonspam.com/sotw.html#Jamie_Baillie>
<http://www.theclubbuiltonspam.com/Jamie-Baillie-SOTW.html>

I have, once again, removed postmaster{_at_}paypal from the cc: round robin
as none of this has anything to do with PayPal's postmaster.

Regards,

Shaun

Alright. I finally decided that good old Jamie needs a refund. The reason? I'm plumb worn out from dealing with his fucked-up mails to PayPal. I simply don't have it in me anymore. However, I feel that I remain the victor. Not only because of my superior emails (compared to Jamie's), but also because I nuked his account at our site, I (and my boss) outed his spamming ass in NANAE, and I posted all of this.

Not bad for a temporary hold on US$20. I confirmed, for sure, that Jamie is a spammer. Believe me, that's worth far more than the 20 bucks he sent our way. Here's the final mail to PayPal:

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Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:20:02 -0500
From: HWTM Support <support@hostwiththemost.net>
To: OpenProxies <info@openproxies.com>
Subject: Re: OpenProxies Support Request PayPal Case ID: PP-017-423-275
Cc: "Jamie" <darkshad@rogers.com>,
<abuse@paypal.com>,
<support@paypal.com>
In-Reply-To: <20030523231642.1B4B.INFO@openproxies.com>
References: <02ba01c321a3$80a2e1d0$8d00a8c0@domain> <20030523231642.1B4B.INFO@openproxies.com>
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Attention, PayPal:

I have refunded this bottom-feeding, lying, bogus-abuse-report-making,
k00k-ass son of a bitch. I'm tired of dealing with his bullshit. The
entire story has been posted for all of the world to see in Usenet, and
that's good enough for me!

The world will yet again be able to see Mr. Baillie for the scamming,
no-good scumsucking spammer that he is.

PayPal Case ID: PP-017-423-275 is closed. Period.

Regards,

Shaun